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PostSubject: Stallion handling advice urgently needed.   Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:47 am

From tomorrow I'll be looking after a 4 year old, part-broken Freisian stallion whose owner has been taken seriously ill and will be in hospital for an indefinite period. The owner's wife will have to go and stay in Guernsey to be near her husband. They've had a very difficult time over the last year and because of the vindictiveness aimed at them by some members of the equine "community" here, they are not able to trust many of them, hence them asking me to help.

I have zero experience of stallions but want to do my best for him and stay safe at the same time. ANY advice at all would be greatly welcomed.


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PostSubject: Re: Stallion handling advice urgently needed.   Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:36 pm

Hi I wouldn't worry too much as some stallions can be more gentle than a fiesty gelding. My Lusitano was a stallion when I first got him and I had very little experience either of handling a stallion and I'm quite tiny so it was a bit daunting. My approach was just to be confident and assertive without being overtly challenging to him and we soon came to an understanding. Keep a lead rope or something handy to shoo him away if he gets too strong to protect your space. Good luck and best wishes to your friend, I hope he gets better soon.
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PostSubject: Re: Stallion handling advice urgently needed.   Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:30 pm

Daunting is a good description. It's not the size of him as he's only about 15.2hh and I'm a reasonably strong six-footer. It's more the fact that we've got two mares that seem to take it in turns at being in season so, inevitably, I end up smelling quite mare-ish at times Shocked Having seem his reaction when I've led our girls past his field, even at quite a distance, I'm a bit concerned that he'll get a bit silly and end up hurting someone, possibly me affraid
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PostSubject: Re: Stallion handling advice urgently needed.   Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:50 am

Look up Klaus Ferdinand Hempfling on youtube or on his website, he has a fantastic way with horses and especially stallions. He handles stallions that others have declared dangerous and led them past mares in season. Good luck
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PostSubject: stallion handling advice urgently needed   Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:36 am

as the days get longer he will become more interested in mares, the natural breeding season lasts till july, after that his instincts will subside
my advice is to always wear a hat, gloves, in case he snatches at the lead, shoes that that are suitable, have a very long lead rope, if you let it out don't get in a position where he can kick you, in case he goes up and jumps around, a stallion chain under the chin through a bit is the best means of control, he will respect this, and always carry a stick if you are not sure of him, you can use the stick to block his movements by putting it along side his neck and head so he can't run round you, don't ever stand in front of him cause he won't be able to see you properly and if he should go up he could clonk you
never trust him, stallions can move very quickly, don't be fearfull, just concentrate on him when you are handling him, try grooming him in the box to get to know him.
put your mares out first so he won't scent them on you.
he may ok and mannerly time will tell, they are all different.
to avoid problems don't walk him too near your mares, that will arouse his interest, if possible take a route well away.
sorry if this sounds negative or frightening, it won't be that bad but its just a case of going about it the right way to avoid probs and then he will respect you.
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PostSubject: Re: Stallion handling advice urgently needed.   Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:52 am

How are you getting on Bonjour Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Stallion handling advice urgently needed.   Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:51 pm

Thanks Zait-bet and tristar for your good, common-sense advice.

Rosemary, no problems so far. i helped the owners wife to move him about 1/3 of a mile to new grazing on Sundayeach of us holding a lead rope either side of him. This proved to be a good move as he was quite feisty, especially when he saw/smelled other horses. He's on 24 hour turnout, so not too much of a worry until we need to move him again.

I'll get my wife to keep him distracted while I poo-pick. She's got a brilliant technique that she uses on Roo when we have difficulty getting a rug on her. It involves rhythmic tapping with the fingertips on a sort of acupuncture point between the eyes. It nearly sends Roo to sleep, so I hope it has the same effect on Vinone!

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PostSubject: Re: Stallion handling advice urgently needed.   Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:24 am

this may sound silly but....if you rub vinegar on a rag under his nose it will block/overload his scent receptors which can mean he does not notice the smell of 'mare' on you,
i heard this one about someone who needed to move a stallion in a box often used by mares, they fixed a vinegar soaked rag on his headcollar nose band to mask the mare scent.

as to handling,as said above most stallions even the gentlemen type are far more awake than any gelding, far more tuned in to their surroundings & react to stimulus which a gelding would simply ignore, they are quick to flick into red alert mode & will use teeth, hooves whatever they need to, be aware that the front hoof strike is a favourite stallion weapon & they can get that front leg up like a can-can girl on speed!

i would say be firm but not challenging to him, don't allow him to take over any situation however small, insist on best manners all the time & try to learn what his body language and grunts & squeels mean,

(very) rough guide to what he is saying :-
deep ho, ho, ho rather like father Xmas = 'hey baby macho man around - anyone wanna play?'
deep snoring grunt, with dipped body ( & possible 5th leg?) = cor! phew! red hot!
high scream = can be either take notice of me NOW! or issued as a challenge/anger 'be aware' trouble brewing 'see yew jimmy' sort of thing.

swinging tail = laid back
lashing tail = trouble brewing

of course this is not a full menu & individuals vary, combinations of stance and sounds are important, some are just posturing, i love watching a colt or stallion doing their own dressage test impression to show off to anyone watching.

good luck
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